

— 2026
1201. Jan. 11, Sabby Sabs youtube podcast hosted by Sabrina Salvati, “The Truth About Banking,” with Earl Staelin
— 2025
1200. Aug. 24, interview with Randy Voller, “On the Porch” (radio)
1199. Aug. 10, interview with Elisa Barwick, Australian Citizens Party, “Return the power of banking to the people.”
1198. July 31, 11 am est, speaker, Capital Institute Monthly Discovery Dialogues
1197. May 29, 5 pm pst, speaker, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition webinar.
— 2024 —
1191. Dec. 10, 9 am EST, interview with Dave Krieger (former host of the Power Hour)
1190. Nov. 21, 5 pm pst, 11-21 National Infrastructure Bank Coalition webinar.
1189. Oct. 30, 1:30 pm EST, Bretton Woods 90th Anniversary Commemoration, “The Public Banking Mandate,” power point by zoom.
1188. Aug. 15, 5 pm pst, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition webinar.
1187. June 18, 5 pm pst, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition webinar presentation.
1186. May 22, 6 pm pst, powerpoint for Washingtonians for Public Banking, “The Past, Present and Future of Public Banking”
1185. Apr. 25, 5 pm pst, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition webinar presentation.
1184. Mar. 21, 5 pm pst, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition webinar presentation.
1183. Mar. 10, 4 pm PST, speaker, Voices for New Democracy online forum.
1182. Feb. 29, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition webinar.
1181. Feb.2-5, speaker, Restore Freedom Rally 2024, Freedom Law School, Orlando, FL. 10% discount code, EB10.
1180. Jan 18, 5 pm pst, power point presentation, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition webinar.
1179. Jan. 13, 5 pm EST, video interview with Firebreathin’ Bob.
— 2023 —
1178. 12-21-23, 1 pm, GlobalResearch News Hour, tribute to Stephen Lendman.
1177. 12-14-23, 5 pm PST, webinar presentation, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition.
1176. 10-22-23, 10:45 am, speaker, The Weston A. Price Foundation’s 23rd Annual Conference, Kansas City, Missouri.
1175. 10-19-23, The Final Banking Solution, with Simon Thorpe and Colin Maxwell on The Vinny Eastwood Show, YouTube, Australia.
1174. 8-22-23, 10 am, Claremont, CA, Cobb Institute Center for Process, power point presentation: “Restoring Prosperity with a Financial Transaction Tax and Publicly Owned Banks.“ Zoom link is here.
1173. 6-15-23, NIB Zoom town hall, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition.
1172. 5-22-23: Radio interview, 9:30 am est, The Power Hour.
1171. 5-17-23: TV interview, CGTN America, Global Business: “Banking industry in hot seat during Congressional hearings.”
1170. Apr 27, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition webinar, “How to Build the Nation: National Banking vs. Privatization”
1169. Apr 23, interview on World Stage with Bruce De Torres, TNT Radio
1168. 4-17-23, 9 am pst, interview with Prof. Richard Wolff, “Economic Update.”
1167. 4-8 & 4-9, 9 am est, radio interview with Dr. Elaina George, “Medicine on Call.”
1166. 4-8-23, noon pst, radio interview, Tom Quinn Show, ksco.com.
1165. 4-6-23, radio interview with Phillip Farruggio, “It’s the Empire, Stupid.”
1164. 4-4-23, 2 pm edt, NIB Zoom Roundtable, “National Banking in Times of Crisis.”
1163. Mar. 24 & 25, United for Free Speech Webinar, Think Local, Ireland.
1162. 3-23-23, 9 am EST, radio interview, The Power Hour.
1161. 3-19-23, Interview with James Corbett, “Alternative Solutions to the Banking Crisis.”
1160. 3-16-23, 5 pm pst, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition Town Hall, “Restructuring the American Workforce in a Time of Financial and Economic Turbulence.”
1159. 3-14-23, 5 pm EST, Living In The Solution with Dr. Elaina George
1158. 3-9-23, 8 am PST, Sarah Westall, podcast
1157. 3-2-23, 11 am EST, The Gary Null Show, PRN.live.
1156. 2-25-23, 15:00-17:00 GMT (Ireland), Think Local Conference 2023, Panel 3 – Money & Economics – New Paradigms
1155. 2-16-23, 5 pm pst, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition, “Washington, Hamilton, Lincoln: National Banking and the Economic Demands of Today’s Crisis,” NIB Zoom Town Hall
1154. 1-19-23, 5 pm pst, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition, “National Banking Will Drive a U.S. Economic Boom!” NIB Zoom Town Hall
— 2022 —
1153. 12-15-22: 5 pm pst, National Infrastructure Bank Town Hall presentation.
1152. 11-17-22: NIB Zoom Town Hall, “The Next Steps: The American System and the National Infrastructure Bank.”
1151. 10-19-22: NIB Zoom Town Hall, “Rebuild the Nation with a New Reconstruction Finance Corporation.”
1150. 10-8-22: 18th Annual AMI Monetary Reform Conference, 2022 “The Monetary Scene: The Last Three Years,” power point presentation.
1149. 9-8-22, 5 pm pst: NIB Zoom Town Hall, “US at the Crossroads: American Industrial Recovery or Fed Chair Powell’s Recession.”
1148. 8-11-22, 5 pm, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition webinar.
1147. 8-2-22, noon pst, interview by Rep. Pamela Powers Hannley, “Powers for the People” podcast (joining Prof. Bob Hockett).
1146. 8-1-22, 5:50 to 6:10 pm pst, interview with Scott Harris, WPKN Radio in Bridgeport, CT, “Between the Lines.”
1145. 7-22-22, 5 pm pst, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition webinar.
1144. 7-8-22, 5 pm pst, Interview with Kevin Barrett, Truth Jihad Radio.
1143. 6-30-22, 5 pm pst, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition webinar with Prof. Robert Hockett, Sen. Bob Hasegawa, et al.
1142. 6-16-22: National Infrastructure Bank Coalition webinar on stagflation with Nomi Prins, Robert Hockett, et al.
1141. 6-10-22: TNT radio interview with Sen. Malcolm Roberts, Australia.
1140. 5-19-22: 5 pm pst, National Infrastructure Bank town hall presentation. https://www.nibcoalition.com/all-videos
1139. 5-17-22: 11 am pst, interview, Kerry Lutz’s Financial Survival Network.
1138. Apr. 22, 5 pm cst, interview, The Hrvoje Morić Show, TNT Radio
1137. Apr. 22, 11 am est, Gary Null Show, PRN Live
1136. Apr. 20, 7 pm cst, webinar, “Public Banking: Investing in Colorado!,” Colorado Public Banking Coalition
1135. 4-19, 9 am pst, interview with Simone Mariam for the Italian blog MittDolcino
1134. Apr. 19, 12:30 pm pst, interview with Jay Taylor, “A PetroRuble Now Competes with the PetroDollar”, Jay Taylor Media
1133. Apr. 15, Interview with Kristina Borjesson, The Whistleblower Newsroom, bitchute, “History Informs a Reset That Could Serve the People”
1132. Apr. 8, Interview with Kevin Barrett, Truth Jihad Radio, 5 pm pst
1131. Apr. 6, Podcast with Bob Scheer, ScheerPost.com
1130. Mar. 31, Power Point presentation on youtube, Universidad Nacional de Colombia, Invita: Debates Ensayos de Economia Coordina: Guillermo Maya — Profesor adscrito al Departamento de Economia
1129. Mar. 10, Webinar presentation, “Stop Inflation in Its Tracks! Role of the National Infrastructure Bank”
1128. Feb. 17, Webinar presentation for National Infrastructure Bank Coalition, Abraham Lincoln and the American System of Economics
— 2021 —
1127. Dec. 18, Daniel Estulin and Ellen Brown on Global Economic Implosion, Kevin Barrett Truth Jihad
1126. Dec. 7, Interview with Daniel Estulin
1125. Nov. 27, “The Greening of Finance and the Global PPP Land Grab” with Matt Ehret on youtube
1124. Sep. 29, interview with Jan Roberts of Systems Change Advocate, jroberts@ciaction.org> linkedin.com/in/jan-roberts-0001688 Systems Change Advocate
1123. Aug. 30, Center for Global Justice webinar with Walt McRee, “Public Banking: Democratizing Finance”
1122. July 28, 5 pm pst, webinar, “Public Banks: A Path to Economic Transformation in California,” EcoCiv Dialogues for Global Systems Change series
1121. July 22, 5 pm pst, webinar, “The Truth about America’s Monetary System,” American Ethical Union National Conference
1120. Mar. 29, 2 pm est, panel hosted by Rickey Gard Diamond, “Zoom of Our Own, Creating Currency and Blowing Big Bubbles.”
1119. Mar. 25, 11 am pst, BoldRethink webinar, TBA
1118. Mar. 21, 10 am pst, Public Banking panel, TBA
1117. March 5, Sean Stone interview, Unrig
1116. March 2, PBI Live Town Hall, Ohio
1115. Feb. 23, 7 pm est, Eco Justice Collaborative Webinar, “Why the Crises We Face Make Financial Reform Essential,” Religious Society of Friends, Philadelphia
1114. Feb. 17, 11 am, Steff Overbeck, Pod of Gold radio interview
1113. Feb. 18, radio interview, Phil Mikan, wlis1420
1112. Feb. 16, National Infrastructure Bank Coalition Presidents’ Day Webinar 2021 – “National Infrastructure Bank: Standing on the Shoulders of Giants”
1111. Feb. 6, radio interview, Sylvia Richardson, Latin Waves
1110. Jan. 28, 6 pm est, PBI NY Town Hall
1109. Jan. 27, “Ellen Brown and Matt Ehret Discuss: A Brief History of Economic Warfare and the American System”, youtube
1108. Jan. 16, 11 am cst, Warner Lewis, Lewis at Large (Kansas City), KLWN, 101.7 FM
1107. Jan. 15, 3-5 pm, Revolution Radio, The Fetzer Report
1106. Jan. 8, 4 pm PST, zoom power point presentation, Praxis Peace Institute
— 2020 —
1105. Dec. 30, 3 pm EST, Eleanor LeCain radio show on PRN
1104. Dec. 28, 9 pm EST, interview on WPKN Radio with Scott Harris, Between The Lines Radio
1103. Dec. 13, Ramola D. Reports, US/UK news panel #11, with Prof. Tim Canova, et al.
1102. Dec. 12, podcast/radio interview, Ralph Nader Radio Hour
1101. Dec. 6, Ramola D. Reports, US/UK news panel #10, with Dr. Christiane Northrup et al.
1100. Nov. 29, Ramola D. Reports, News Panel 9, with Justin Walker, Andy Kaufmann, John Reizer, Sandi Adams
1099. Nov. 3, Turning Point Talks, Australia, Zoom power point presentation, 7 pm Australia time
1098. Nov. 1, 4 pm pst, panel, 2020 Building the New World Conference
1097. Oct. 26, Phil Mikan Show, WLIS/WMRD Radio, Conn., pre-recorded for Friday at 10 est or Saturday at 9-11 est
1096. Oct. 22, 1:15 pm EST, power point presentation, “Public Banking, Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) and the National Debt,” Carolina Hills Community, Chapel Hill, NC
1095. October 3, 1:30, “Energizing a Just Transition Conference.”
1094. Sept. 30, webinar,2020 Building the New World Conference, 4 pm pst/7 pm est
1093. Sept. 12, San Diego public banking group webinar with Sen. Ben Hueso, 5 pm
1092. Sept. 9, interview with Meria Heller, 10 am pst
1091. Aug. 30, interview with Jack Etkin, Citizens Forum, Community Television, Victoria, BC, 2 pm pst
1090. Aug. 17, The Power Hour, 10 am PDT.
1089. July 30, 4 pm PST, John Truman Wolfe Financial Hour
1088. July 15, 6 pm EST, Connecticut Public Banking Town Hall, livestream here
1087. July 13, Webinar, Center for Global Justice, “Why Public Banking Needs to Be Run as a Public Utility,” San Miguel de Allende, Mexico, 11am-1pm PDT
1086. Interview with Susan Johnson on public banking for Connecticut, WILI’s Let’s Talk About It Show, 5 pm EST
1085. Interview on Russia Today, “In Question,” “BlackRock the Behemoth,” July 2, 2020
1084. July 1, Bonnie Faulkner interview with Peter Koenig on Guns and Butter
1083, July 1, 8 am PST, interview with Phillip Farruggio, “It’s the Empire, Stupid,” Greanvillepost.com
1082. June 29, 9-9:30 pm EST, interview with Scott Harris, “Between the Lines,” WPKN Radio, Conn.
1081. June 24, 6-6:30 pm EST, interview with Paul DeRienzo, WBAI News, New York City
1080. June 23, 6:30-8pm MST, Webinar on Forming a New Mexico State Public Bank, Alliance for Local Economic Prosperity
1o79. June 10, podcast with Kim Iverson, “The Fed and the Big Bank Wealth Heist. Why We Need Public Banking.”
1078. Interview with Sylvia Richardson, Latin Waves, 10 am PST
1077. June 5, 6 pm pst, Center for American Studies Town Meeting, Concord, NH, live-streamed
1076. June 5, 12:30 pm, Public Banking Town Hall for Colorado Leaders, Zoom conference
1075. May 28, WECAN webinar, “Structuring an Economy for People and Planet in the Time of Climate Crisis and COVID-19,” 11:00 am PST/ 2:00pm EST
1074. May 22, Interview with Kevin Barrett, Truth Jihad Radio, 5 pm PST
1073. May 21, Interview with Aaron Wissner, Local Future, Youtube livestream
1072. May 20, radio interview, “Law and Disorder,” New York City
1071. May 13, interview with Paul Jay, “Does Public Banking Work?”, The Analysis
1070. May 10, 12:00-1:00 PM EST, Dr. Elaina George radio show
1069. May 7, 11 am EST, interview with Phillip Farruggio, “It’s the Empire, Stupid,” Greanvillepost.com
1068. May 6, Conversations with Rob, community radio, 9 am PST
1067. Apr 4, interview with Walt McRee and Mark Anielski, The Economics of Wellbeing podcast (pre-recorded, TBA)
1066. May 2, podcast with Matt Stannard, Cowboys on the Commons
1065. May 1, Interview with Robert Scheer, Scheer Intelligence, KCRW Los Angeles
1064. April 30, 12 noon MDT, Public Banking Virtual Town Hall sponsored by Colorado Public Banking Coalition
1063. April 30, 6-6:30 pm, interview with Paul DeRienzo, WBAI News, New York City
1062. Apr 29, 1 pm PST, radio interview with Reinette Senum, KVRM, Nevada City, CA (pre-recorded)
1061. Apr 26, Schiller Institute Online Conference, 3 pm EST
1060. Apr 26, 6:30 am PST, Morano in the Morning radio talk show
1059. Apr 21, Interview with Jason Hartman, Creating Wealth Show
1058. April 13, “Flashpoints,” KPFA, 5:40 pm PST.
1057. April 9, radio interview with Claudia Cragg, “It’s the Economy,” KGNU Boulder CO, 6 pm MST.
1056. April 7, “Treasury Takeover?”, podcast interview with Sarah Westall and Harley Schlanger
1055. March 26, interview with Phillip Farruggio, “It’s the Empire, Stupid,” Greanvillepost.com
1054. Mar. 17, 7 pm EST, interview with Gary Null, Progressive Commentary Hour
1053. Feb. 19, radio interview on George Noory’s “Coast to Coast,” 10-12 pm pst.
1052. Feb. 8, interview with Sylvia Richardson, “Latin Waves” radio podcast.
1051. Jan. 8, interview with Marcus Ruiz Evans, 1 pm PST
1050. Jan. 2, interview with Kevin Barrett, truthjihadradio, 5 pm PST
— 2019 —
1049. Dec. 2, Interview with Jeff J. Brown, China Rising Radio
1048. Nov. 24, 7 pm, presentation sponsored by Agenda for a Prophetic Faith, Claremont Presbyterian Church, Claremont, CA, “Why We Need Public Banks”
1047. Nov. 24, 11 am, public banking presentation for “Growing Christians” class, Claremont United Methodist Church, Claremont, CA
1046. Nov. 23, public banking presentation, Pilgrim Place, Claremont, CA
1045. Nov 16-17, speaker, Soil & Nutrition Conference, Southbridge, MA.
1044. Nov. 12, interview in New York with Max Keiser, Keiser Report, “Repo Markets and UBI”
1043. Nov. 6, 5 pm EST, The CivicLab Show with Tom Tresser, live@www.facebook.com/tomtree
1042. Oct. 23, 11:30 am-1:30 pm, luncheon presentation on public banking, League of Women Voters of San Diego, Tom Ham’s Lighthouse Restaurant, 2150 Harbor Island Dr., San Diego
1041. Oct. 22, Presentation on public banking, DSA San Diego, Unite Here Union Hall, 2436 Market Street, San Diego, 6-7:30 pm.
1040. Oct 16-18, keynote speaker, Economics of Happiness conference, Jeonju, South Korea
1039. Oct. 6, 6 pm pst, interview, Jeff Rense Radio.
1038. Sept 30, noon EST, radio interview with Pauline Salotti, WUSB, Stony Brook, NY, 90.1 FM, wusb.fm.
1037. Sept. 26, 7 pm presentation, “Exploding the Myths of Money and Banking,” New Paradigm College, Lake County, CA
1036. Sept. 20, podcast interview, Silver Doctors
1035. Sept. 19, 8-9 pm pst, interview, Jeff Rense Radio.
1034. Interview, Sept. 13 at 5 pm–6 pm on KPFZ, Lake County community Radio, 88.1 FM.
1033. Sept. 6, Live with Ernest Hancock, 11 am EST (at 2 hour mark on video)
1032. Aug. 26, interview with Jason Hartman, Creating Wealth Show, 12:00 pm PST.
1031. Aug. 9, interview with Lauren Steiner, youtube
1030. July 25, youtube podcast with Sarah Westall, “This is Why China Is Winning”
1029. July 23, interview with Steve Bhaerman, Wiki Politiki Radio Show, 2 pm pst.
1028. July 19, interview with Kevin Barrett, truthjihadradio, 5 pm PST
1027. July 12, 11 am pst, interview with Annie Esposito and Steve Scalmanini, “Corporations & Democracy,” Mendocino County, CA, www.KZYX.org
1026. Interview with Crystal Arnold, Money-Wise Women, posted July 10
1025. July 9, interview with Liz Lane, “It’s the Economy,” KGNU Boulder/Denver/Ft. Collins, 6 pm MDT/8 pm EDT.
1024. June 23, interview with Mark Anielski, “The Economics of Well-being”
1023. June 15, interview with Tom Allen, “This Week in Money,” HoweStreet.com
1022. June 13, Interview with Sinclair Noe, “Financial Review,” MoneyRadio1510.com (pre-recorded)
1021. June 12, 2 pm, interview on Princeton Community TV, Princeton NJ, “The Public Banking Solution” with Walt McRee
1020. June 1, interview with Sylvia Richardson, “Latin Waves” radio podcast.
1019. Apr. 5, interview with Phillip Watt, healbyhypnosis.com, 3 pm, PT
1018. April 3, panel discussion on Green New Deal, BBC World Service, “The Balance”
1017. March 28, interview on Thom Hartmann show.
1016. March 22, interview with Sinclair Noe, Money Radio 1510
1015. March 11, interview with Phillip Farruggio, greanvillepost.com, 11 a.m. EST
1014.
1013. Feb. 9, interview with Sylvia Richardson, Latin Waves, 8 a.m. PT
1012. Feb. 8, interview with Kevin Barrett, truthjihadradio, 6 pm, PST
1011. Jan. 31, interview with Lee Camp, LeeCampComedySpecial.com
1010. Jan. 3, interview with Robert Stark, The Stark Truth with Robert Stark, re The Green New Deal https://www.starktruthradio.com/?p=8534
— 2018 —
1009. Dec. 17, interview with Scott Harris, WPKN radio, Bridgeport, CT, Between the Lines Radio Newsmagazine, 9:30 ET
1008. Nov. 2, Interview with Mike Prysner on Real News Network, https://therealnews.com/stories/will-public-banking-free-la-from-wall-street
1007. Oct. 31, interview on Real News Network, Student Debt Dogs Millenials for a Lifetime and Drags Down the Economy, https://therealnews.com/stories/student-debt-dogs-millennials-for-a-lifetime-and-drags-down-the-economy
1006. Oct. 22, speaker with Gar Alperovitz at Praxis Peace Institute, “Changing the System: California’s Strategic Role in National Strategic Change,” Sonoma, CA, 276 E. Napa St, Sonoma. 7:00 pm.
1005. Oct 19-21, Bioneers Conference, panelist on Oct 20, 2:45 pm, Marin Center, San Rafael, CA.997.
1004. Oct. 18, 350Marin.org, speaking along with Susan Harman, 750 Lindaro Street, San Rafael CA, 6:30pm.
1003. Oct. 17, video interview with Abby Martin, work in progress.
1001. Oct. 11, Interview with Harvey Wasserman, Greenpower and Wellness, prn.fm, KPFK Los Angeles, 2 pm
1000. Oct. 9, speaker, State Bank Forum, University of Washington, Kane Hall, 7-9pm http://sdc.wastateleg.org/hasegawa/state-bank/
999. Oct. 7, panel, Americans for Democratic Action of Southern California Annual Garden Party, 2-5:30 pm, Santa Monica, CA
998. Oct. 4, 7:30 pm, Living Economy Salon, panelist, Public Bank LA: “Solutions for Social and Environmental Justice”, 3110 Main St., Annex Building C 2nd Floor, Santa Monica, CA 90405
997. Oct. 3, interview on Unmediated, podcast of Reader Magazine, episode title: Making Money The Public’s Slave (The Public Banking Solution), 10 a.m. PT
996. Oct. 1, radio interview, “The Power Hour,” www.thepowerhour.com, 2 pm
995. Sept. 28, interview with Sinclair Noe, Money Radio 1510, pre-recorded for a later date
994. Sept. 20-22, California Vision 2020 Conference, speaking at 11 am on Sept 20, Sheraton Grand Hotel , Sacramento.
993. Sept. 10, interview with Lila Garrett on KPFK, “Connect the Dots”, http://www.kpfk.org/on-air/connect-the-dots/ 7. a.m. PT
992. Sept. 4, interview with Steve Bhaerman, Wikipolitiki Radio, wikipolitiki.com, 2 pm PT
991. Aug. 31, interview with Kevin Barrett, truthjihadradio. 6 pm PT
990. Aug. 26, Left Coast Forum, 1:30 pm, Los Angeles Trade Tech
989. Aug. 22, interview, the Gary Null Show, 9:40 PST
988. Aug. 14, podcast interview with Sarah Westall, 9 am pst/11 am cst
987. Aug. 8, interview with Tom Allen, “This Week in Money”, HoweStreet.com
986. Aug. 9, interview with Sinclair Noe, Money Radio 1510, pre-recorded for a later date
985. Aug. 3, 9-10 pm pst, radio interview with True Ott
984. Aug 2, New York Green Party video livestream, 5 pm PST
983. Aug. 1, interview with Elizabeth Dougherty, The Dougherty Report, Newsradio 102.5 WFLA, 3 pm PST
982. July 21, guest on WakingupinAmerica.com, 6:45 a.m., PDT
981. June 28, interview on MONEY RADIO with Sinclair Noe, 11:00 a.m., PST
980. May 16, “It’s Our Money,” PRN.FM, 3 pm est
979. May 16, interview with Michael Welch, Global Research, 11 am pst
978. May 4, First Unitarian Church, Portland, power point presentation, “How Public Banking Would Benefit Portland and Oregon”, 7-9 pm
977. April 17, Retirement Lifestyle Advocates radio program, 1 pm PT
976. April 13, interview, the Gary Null Show, 9:35 a.m., PT. Subject: The Bayer-Monsanto Merger Is Bad News for the Planet.
975. April 12 “Mind Over Matters,” KEXP, Seattle, 9 am PT
974. April 5, interview with Deb Hobson, KOPN 89.5 Democracy Now! Chautauqua, 4 pm PT
973. Mar. 10-12, PBI retreat, Loveland, CO
972. Mar. 22 interview with Sinclair Noe, The Financial Review, Money Radio 510, 1:30 pm PST
971. Mar. 19, Coast to Coast AM radio, 10pm-midnight, PST
970. Feb. 28, interview with Ian Trottier, Miami Radio, http://iantrottier.com/, 5:15 pm EST. Listen here, bit.ly/EllenBrownCA
969. Jan. 23. 18th National Conference and Global Forum: The Science Business, and Education of Sustainable Infrastructure, Washington DC, panel
968. Jan. 20, Interview with Primo Nutmeg https://soundcloud.com/primonutmeg
967. Jan. 17, It’s Our Money, 3 pm est–listen here.
966. Jan. 17, interview with Valerie Kirkgaard, http://www.wakingupinamerica.com, 2 pm PST
965. Jan. 2, Interview withJeff Rense, rense.com, 9 pm PST
— 2017 and before, see —
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The Sovereign Reset: Escaping the Interest Trap with Greenbacks
Lincoln Breaks the Interest Trap – image by ScheerPost
In August 2026, the U.S. debt reached a gravity-defying $40 trillion, with an estimated fiscal year 2026 deficit of $2.1 trillion. Interest on the debt hit a record $1.4 trillion over the last 12 months and now consumes more than any federal program except Social Security and Medicare, eclipsing defense spending for the first time in U.S. history. Paid with borrowed money, interest compounds exponentially, making it the fastest-growing part of the budget, far outpacing economic growth. By 2036, the Congressional Budget Office projects that interest costs will double to $2.1 trillion, with debt held by the public reaching 120 percent of GDP. The CBO director has declared the trajectory to be “not sustainable.”
Increasingly, prominent analysts are saying the United States will have to “print” its way out. But using whose printing press, printing what?
Today, “printing” normally means Federal Reserve monetization (Quantitative Easing or QE). The Treasury first issues debt – bills, bonds and notes – which are sold by primary dealers on the open market. If there are insufficient buyers, the Fed as “lender of last resort” may buy the securities with “reserves” created with accounting entries in bank reserve accounts. But Fed Chair Kevin Warsh is trying to reduce the Fed’s balance sheet by selling federal securities, not buy them. And even if the Fed did engage in QE, it would not work today to reduce the debt or the interest. The Fed is required to return its profits to the Treasury after deducting its costs, but ever since 2008 it has paid the banks interest on their reserve balances (IORB) as a policy tool to control inflation; and since 2022, the total sum the Fed has paid in IORB has been higher than the interest it received from the Treasury on its securities. The net result is that instead of the Fed remitting profits to the Treasury, the Treasury now owes the Fed money to cover the gap in IORB, increasing the federal debt and the interest bill. The Fed printing press is running, but it is running in the wrong direction.
Meanwhile, $4.1 trillion USD in marketable federal securities are maturing this year; and many are long-dated bonds yielding low interest, for which there are insufficient buyers. So the Treasury under Scott Bessent has had to take over the business of buying them, using funds raised by selling short-dated Treasuries for which there is a ready market. Some commentators are calling this “Treasury QE,” but the policy is not pumping new Treasury dollars into the market. Other commentators say the buyback expansion is more like the Fed’s earlier “Operation Twist” — just an asset swap, old debt for new.
An August 22, 2026 article in Forbes compares the effect of Fed and Treasury bond purchases like this:
The Treasury’s Keystroke Power
So says conventional analysis, but the Treasury at the direction of Congress actually does have keystroke ability. It is a sovereign power that our forebears used to finance the American Revolution, the Civil War, and some of the most explosive periods of economic growth in U.S. history. From the “colonial scrip” that Benjamin Franklin credited with the prosperity of the colonies, to the Continentals that funded the Revolution, the power to create money was viewed as a public utility. The U.S. Constitution formalized that power in Article I, Section 8, granting Congress the power “to coin Money [and] regulate the Value thereof.”
After Lincoln’s Treasury printed enough U.S. Notes or “Greenbacks” to win the Civil War, the Supreme Court twice affirmed its authority to do so. But that power was captured and handed to a banking cartel that met in secret on Jekyll Island in 1910, where they designed a system in which every new dollar must be borrowed into existence from bankers who simply write deposits into their borrowers’ accounts. And thus was the government’s sovereign power to create its own currency captured by private profiteers.
The Lincoln Precedent
The greatest proof of concept for debt-free sovereign currency remains Abraham Lincoln’s Greenbacks. Facing a fractured nation and usurious interest rates from international bankers, Lincoln bypassed the private credit market. Through the Legal Tender Acts of the 1860s, the Treasury issued $450 million in United States Notes (Greenbacks), which funded the North’s victory in the Civil War and extensive national infrastructure development.
In 1871, the Supreme Court upheld the Legal Tender Acts in Knox v. Lee, ruling that the government’s power to issue currency that was not redeemable in specie (coins) was an inherent attribute of sovereignty. But in 1878, the Greenback supply was capped at less than half a million dollars, ensuring that as the economy grew, the sovereign dollar would be dwarfed by private bank credit backed by gold reserves. In Juilliard v. Greenman (1884), however, the Supreme Court confirmed that the power “of making the notes of the United States a legal tender in payment of private debts” was “included in the power to borrow money and to provide a national currency”.
The Populist Allegory: The Yellow Brick Road
By the late 19th century, the scarcity of credit caused by the bankers’ “Cross of Gold” led to a major depression and a grassroots uprising. In 1894, the march of “Coxey’s Army” on Washington—the first of its kind—would become the inspiration for The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (1889). In that classic American allegory, the “Yellow Brick Road” (the gold standard) leads to a deceptive Emerald City (Washington D.C.), where the Wizard (the President) pulls levers of illusion. William Jennings Bryan, the “Cowardly Lion” of the Greenback movement, had the roar of a great orator but ultimately lacked the courage to stick to the Greenback solution, instead pivoting to bimetallism (silver). [For more on that see E. Brown, Web of Debt.]
In 1912, Bryan was appointed Secretary of State by Pres. Woodrow Wilson. Bryan vigorously opposed the Aldrich Act, which would have handed the “money power” to the bankers; but the bankers won, and the Federal Reserve Act passed. Since that time, the United States has financed itself not with sovereign money but with interest-bearing debt, rolling it over year after year until the interest bill itself has become the fastest-growing federal expense.
That is how we got caught in a debt cyclone in which interest is compounding at a voracious rate. Congress will be coming up against the debt ceiling soon and will need to vote either to raise the ceiling, cut social services and the military, raise taxes, or authorize the Treasury to print its way out. Granted, Congress is unlikely to resort to the sovereign money alternative until it has no other option but to default, but that alternative is approved by both the Constitution and by statute, and it need not raise consumer prices – in fact it can lower them — if the new money is used to create new goods and services, keeping supply and demand in balance. (More on that shortly.)
The Statutory Keys
A statutory mechanism proposed to deal with earlier debt ceiling crises involves 31 U.S.C. § 5112(k), under which the Treasury Secretary is granted the discretion to mint platinum coins in any denomination. The proposal was to mint trillion dollar coins, which would represent a profit to the Mint (seigniorage) rather than loans, so their value does not count toward the statutory debt limit defined in 31 U.S.C. § 3101. See e.g. Paul Krugman’s whimsical endorsement here.
The “Treasury General Account” (TGA) is essentially the government’s only checking account and is held by the Federal Reserve. Fo the sovereign dollar to work, the Fed would need to credit the TGA with the face value of the coins on deposit, but that mandate is also statutory. Under 12 U.S.C. § 391, the Federal Reserve Banks must act as “fiscal agents” for the United States; and under 31 U.S.C. § 5103, all coins minted by the U.S. Treasury are “legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues.”
Despite those mandates, when the trillion dollar coin was raised as a solution to an earlier debt ceiling deadline in 2013, then-Fed Chair Ben Bernanke called it “unworkable”; and in 2021, facing another debt ceiling, Janet Yellen called it a “gimmick.”
Perhaps, but the coin is no more a gimmick than the Fed’s own “Quantitative Easing,” which extends the use of a section of the Federal Reserve Act far beyond its intended purpose. Section 14 of the Act (12 USC Sec. 355), authorizing Open Market Operations, was intended only for small-scale adjustments to keep interest rates stead; but after the 2008-10 banking crisis, the Fed used that authority to create trillions of dollars in reserves to bail out bankrupt mega-banks.
If the Fed can create trillions in currency to save the banks, why can’t the Treasury do it to save the taxpayers? If trillion dollar coins seem too much like a gimmick, Congress can just lift the 1878 cap on Greenback issues and issue U.S. Notes directly. The GENIUS Act authorizes new forms of digital coins. Why not a digital Greenback coin backed by the full faith and credit of the United States?
Quelling Inflation Concerns
Combining the Legal Tender power (confirmed in Juilliard), the Minting discretion (31 U.S.C. §5112), and the Fiscal Agency mandate (12 U.S.C. §391), the tools are already in place for Congress to issue currency directly. So what is holding it back?
The standard objection is that Treasury‑issued money is more inflationary than borrowing, because borrowed money will eventually be paid back, extinguishing the newly created deposits. But the federal debt has not been paid off since Andrew Jackson did it nearly two centuries ago. The debt is just rolled over from year to year, and so is the interest. In fact the interest burden grows faster than the debt, because it is largely deficit‑financed. Interest paid on interest compounds exponentially.
Contrary to conventional theory, borrowing money into existence has been shown to be more inflationary than printing it directly. Both add new dollars to the money supply, since the debt-created dollars spent by the government are never paid back. But the interest burden on those dollars drives up taxes, and the Fed attempts to dampen inflation by raising interest rates, which raises the interest that producers must pay on their own debts. Producers then raise their prices to cover these additional costs, inflating consumer prices.
Supporting Data
The additional inflation risk from government-borrowed money is not just theory. In an excellent 2018 academic paper titled “Bringing the Helicopter to Ground,” monetary economists Josh Ryan‑Collins of University College London and Frank van Lerven of the New Economic Foundation examined government finance across 13 advanced economies from 1900 to 2011. For roughly 40 years, from the 1930s to the 1970s, 40 to 50 percent of government debt in the countries studied was funded by the creation of new money rather than by borrowing existing wealth from private savings or foreign investors. The new money was created as credit on the books of both central and commercial banks. The authors highlight that this period also had the lowest incidence of banking crises in modern history, and it coincided with the century’s longest sustained period of low government debt-to-GDP and highest GDP growth. Inflation remained manageable until the shocks of the early 1970s.
After the 1970s oil shock, Milton Friedman’s dictum that “inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon” became official dogma. But the historical record showed the opposite: price inflation rose in the 1970s, while new money creation fell. Prices were driven up by a shortage of supply rather than an excess of monetary demand.
Money Creation Needs to Be Productive
One particularly compelling experiment in publicly-issued money discussed by Ryan-Collins and van Lerven involved New Zealand. Today, nearly all U.S. states are dealing with housing crises. After the Reserve Bank of New Zealand was nationalized in the 1930s, the government solved its housing crisis by using central bank-issued funds to finance housing, infrastructure, public works and support for farmers. Over a four-year period, The Bank created NZ£30 million for the government, real GDP rose 30 percent, and price inflation remained stable.
Why? Because the new money was not bidding for a fixed stock of goods. It was putting unemployed people and idle resources to work to increase the supply of housing, food and other goods.
That is actually the key to avoiding the inflation trap (“too much money chasing too few goods”). If the money is spent on infrastructure and investments that produce new goods and services, supply and demand will rise together, keeping prices in balance.
In fact we may soon be facing the opposite problem – too little money chasing too many goods. Artificial intelligence and robotics promise large increases in productive capacity while threatening the wage income on which consumer demand depends. The solution in that case will be to add new debt-free money to the economy. See my earlier article series here.
The Hamiltonian Option: Grow Our Way Out
An alternative for dealing with the federal debt that is being advocated by the current Administration is the Hamiltonian approach: increase GDP and grow our way out of the debt, as the U.S. did after World War II. It’s a good idea, but financial commentators say it is not enough. Conditions are far different now than in the post-war period, and the numbers won’t work.
Before GDP can grow, funds must be available for labor and supplies; and the Treasury simply does not have them. Treasury-issued dollars could fill the breach and be sustainable, if the money were directed into infrastructure and development, increasing supply along with demand.
Contrary to the Friedman dictum, inflation is not “always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon.” The relevant question is not just how much money is circulating in the economy but where it is circulating and whether it is connecting productive capacity with human needs.
Today, U.S. factories are operating at only 76% capacity, and the American Society of Civil Engineers projects a shortage in infrastructure funding of $3.7 trillion, while trillions in liquid M2 capital are sitting idle in the stock market or circulating strictly within its walls. In fact corporations are now draining hundreds of billions of dollars out of their productive operations to buy back their own stock, further removing financial wealth from the real economy. If newly created dollars were invested in the economy’s industrial slack or the infrastructure gap, goods and services would be produced for the consumer market, raising supply to balance demand and keeping prices from rising.
The most dramatic modern illustration of this principle is China. In the last three decades, China’s M2 money supply has increased by a dramatic 5500%, yet prices have remained stable. Why? Because the money has been invested in infrastructure and development, increasing supply along with demand. For a detailed explanation and references, see my earlier article here.
What If Greenbacks Retired the Debt?
What if new Treasury money were used to gradually redeem some existing federal securities as they mature? This too would be unlikely to drive up consumer prices. Treasury securities are largely held by funds, banks, insurers, foreign institutions and wealthy investors, who are not likely to spend the money on consumer goods but will seek other investments paying interest. An institutional holder of a $1 million Treasury bond which receives $1 million in sovereign dollars has not suddenly gained $1 million in net wealth. One federal liability has just been exchanged for another: an interest-bearing security for non-interest-bearing money. What has changed is just that the government has been relieved of the obligation to keep paying interest on the retired debt.
Conclusion: The Government Has the Power to Bypass the Interest Trap
As Thomas Edison observed in a New York Times interview in 1921:
Congress has the constitutional power to issue sovereign money directly – interest-free and debt-free – and viable precedents are available for implementing that policy without driving up consumer prices. The question is whether Congress will reclaim this hereditary power before the interest trap snaps shut completely.
Postscript: In October of this year, the Public Banking Institute will be holding a conference on these and related issues in Philadelphia, the city in which Pennsylvania’s “land bank” first proved the power of publicly-issued credit and Benjamin Franklin’s printing press supplied its currency. For more information, see http://PublicBankingInstitute.org.
This article was first posted as an original to ScheerPost.com. Ellen Brown is an attorney, founder of the Public Banking Institute, and author of thirteen books including Web of Debt, The Public Bank Solution, and Banking on the People: Democratizing Money in the Digital Age. Her 500+ blog articles are posted at EllenBrown.com.
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